Do you believe that a Council will be making medical decisions for you under Obama's plan?You better, because it's true. From the Senate Proposal .pdf:
''SEC. 3103. SEEKING THE BEST MEDICAL ADVICE.
19 ''(a) SEEKING THE BEST MEDICAL ADVICE.—The
20 Secretary, in consultation with medical experts at the Na
21 tional Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Con
22 trol and Prevention, and other centers of excellence,
23 shall—
24 ''(1) establish a council to be known as the
25 'Medical Advisory Council' (referred to in this sec
1 tion as the 'Council') to make recommendations to
2 the Secretary on the matters described in sub3
sections (h) and (i); or
4 ''(2) contract with the Institute of Medicine of
5 the National Academies of Science to establish the
6 Council described in paragraph (1).
7 ''(b) COMPOSITION.—
8 ''(1) IN GENERAL.—The Council shall be com
9 posed of members with appropriate expertise in
10 order to carry out subsections (h) and (i).
11 ''(2) TERMS.—Each member appointed to the
12 Council shall serve for a term of 3 years, except that
13 an individual appointed to fill a vacancy on the
14 Council shall serve for the unexpired term of the va
15 cancy for which such individual is appointed. A
16 member may be reappointed to the Council.
17 ''(3) APPOINTMENT.—The members of the
18 Council shall be appointed by the Secretary.
19 ''(c) ADMINISTRATIVE PROVISIONS.—
20 ''(1) QUORUM.—A majority of the members of
21 the Council shall constitute a quorum for purposes
22 of conducting business, and the affirmative vote of
23 a majority of members shall be necessary and suffi
24 cient for any action taken. No vacancy in the mem
25 bership of the Council shall impair the right of a
quorum to exercise all the rights and duties of the
2 Council.
''(h) ELEMENTS OF REPORT.— [which they will submit to Congress]
10 ''(1) IN GENERAL.—The report of the Council
11 described in subsection (d) shall contain rec
12 ommendations on at least the following:
13 ''(A) Subject to paragraph (2), the essen
14 tial health care benefits eligible for credits
15 under section 3111, where such benefits shall
16 include at least the following general categories:
17 ''(i) Ambulatory patient services.
18 ''(ii) Emergency services.
19 ''(iii) Hospitalization.
20 ''(iv) Maternity and newborn care.
21 ''(v) Mental health and substance
22 abuse services.
23 ''(vi) Prescription drugs.
24 ''(vii) Rehabilitative, habilitative, and
25 laboratory services.
''(viii) Preventive and wellness serv
2 ices.
3 ''(ix) Pediatric services, including oral
4 and vision care as determined appropriate
5 by the Council.
6 ''(B) The criteria that coverage must meet
7 to be considered minimum qualifying coverage.
8 ''(C) The conditions under which coverage
9 shall be considered affordable and available cov
10 erage for individuals and families at different
11 income levels.
Oh and by the way? I thought the whole reason Obama's plan is so FABULOUS is because people WON'T be turned down anymore. If he is going to do the same thing as the insurance companies which is what has CAUSED this huge health care "crisis", what are we reforming?
You guys make no sense.
Catherine: Wow, you both read the same article, I guess. You both made reference to Britney's boob job. Stupid AND scary at the same time. And I'm not insinuating ANYTHING. It says what it says. I offered no opinion at all, just stated a fact and posted what's in the Senate proposal.
Kiran: "Unbiased research"? You're kidding, right? I couldn't fit it in here but the Committee's major function is to make sure that too much money is not spent. I call that a SERIOUS bias. And nowhere in there does it say they'll be Drs. You'd hope. You might even assume but it does NOT say that.
Kiran: Wrong again. How can you be getting it wrong when it's right in front of you? It says:
"IN GENERAL.—The Council shall be com
9 posed of members with appropriate expertise in
10 order to carry out subsections (h) and (i)."
Nothing about medical ANYTHING. Subsections H and I refer to financial reporting. READ IT.
Angela: As I said, you don't understand what the legislation says. That's OK. I can explain it to you:
"20 ''(1) QUORUM.—A majority of the members of
21 the Council shall constitute a quorum for purposes
22 of conducting business, and the affirmative vote of
23 a majority of members shall be necessary and suffi
24 cient for any action taken."
Necessary for ANY action taken. It won't be about micro-managing. You really don't know much about the government, do you? There will be a strict set of protocols and that will be it. You have this, you get this treatment. You have that, you get that treatment. And that'll be it. It'll be the cheapest, most bottom of the barrel cost efficient way to do EVERYTHING. That is EVERY government program.
Oh and Angela? I don't HAVE health care coverage. :0) I would be one of the poor unfortunate 50 million being SO helped. Am I still the abuser? Lol. You people are retarded.
I don't want government health care. Not interested. Thanks anyway. Once my husband's health insurance kicks in at his new job, which he was laid off from his old job due to Obama's STELLAR performance with the economy, we will again have health coverage. That's what people do: they WORK for the things they need.
Posted by jdman13
That's who I want to talk to before I die, at age 35.
Posted by Allison
The government is in control now and has always been. Your delusional if your think otherwise.
Posted by Catherine E
Not in the way that you're trying to insinuate.
It's going to be no more than the type of thing that is done now. And what they're talking about is not necessarily a BAD thing.
Do you want to be paying for someone's boob job? I don't, either. THAT'S what this is talking about. Under ANY medical plan there are people that need to decide whether or not a procedure is something that should be covered.
You think that insurance companies don't turn down treatments all the time? (And yes, that includes necessary procedures.) If you don't, then you haven't been paying attention.
Posted by Kiran C
Let me explain why it is in the bill and why it is good. For some with chronic back pain, one doctor will recommend surgery and another doctor will recommend physical therapy for the same patient. Each doctor can point to a body of research on why he is right. The council is being created so their third party can offer an unbiased research to clarify the issue. None of their research will tie the hands of doctors. Patient will need to make the choice on what is best for her or him.
EDIT
You are right. It says nothing about doctors. The sections use the word medical expert instead. This can include doctors, nurses, dentists, or medical researches. You are misreading the bill. Nothing in the Senate bill ties the hand of doctors. Also, the section that you quoted only decides what the minimum benefits are. If you want more, you pay for it. Again, nothing in the bill forces a doctor to go against his or her medical jugdement.
Posted by Angela Q
Nope. Doesn't mean that at all. If you honestly believe that a top group of policy-making executives is going to concern itself with micro-managing YOUR personal healthcare, you have delusions of grandeur. The purpose of such a board is to make policy about what treatments are proven to be effective and which are proven to be ineffective. Why would you want a doctor performing a surgery on you that has been proven not to work?
It sounds like you want to be guaranteed as many tests and treatments as you can work the system for, whether or not you need them or they are effective, while you want others to be denies basic health care coverage because they would abuse the system.
Who's the abuser? You are. ∠°)
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